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		<title>By: tim boucher</title>
		<link>http://eric-blue.com/2006/08/05/when-does-hoax-journalism-go-too-far/#comment-147</link>
		<dc:creator>tim boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 07:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually posted a follow-up &lt;a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/08/07/mel-gibson-hoax-interview/" rel="nofollow"&gt;interview with Mike Hess&lt;/a&gt; about this hoax earlier today, if you're interested. Probably a lot of the same material covered above, though...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually posted a follow-up <a href="http://www.timboucher.com/journal/2006/08/07/mel-gibson-hoax-interview/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/www.timboucher.com');" rel="nofollow">interview with Mike Hess</a> about this hoax earlier today, if you&#8217;re interested. Probably a lot of the same material covered above, though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Blue</title>
		<link>http://eric-blue.com/2006/08/05/when-does-hoax-journalism-go-too-far/#comment-146</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 06:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

You've made some good points, and in a general sense I can see your point of view.  The public needs to get better about disseminating fact from fiction; hoaxes are sometimes 'ok' as long as there are some giveaways; and websites by and far need to get better about checking sources before they spread false information.

However, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that people probably would not have had as big of a problem with a story like this if it was about Bush.  The more ridiculous/implausible a hoax sounds, the better it's going to be received when the hoax is discovered.

IMHO, I think the topic you chose for the hoax is too provocative given the recent racist comments and negative publicity.  Making the allegation that somebody is a terrorist, even if the source is supposed to be a hoax, isn't something that should be taken lightly.

The main reason why I decided to put as much thought into this blog post is to really question what types of hoaxes or topics cross the threshold from being harmless to harmful.  Generally, speaking would it be considered ok or in good taste if somebody posted a hoax article that some celebrity had murdered a family member immediately following a real story where the actor/actress had just went through a painful divorce?  Probably not.

I actually don't have that much of a problem with the fake site and the fact that so many (and credible) news sites were fooled.  Hopefully, this will be one of many future lessons that will help improve how we come up with better systems of information trust, distribution, and authority.  But, although you've stated that your intention was not to cause harm, I think this could be percieved otherwise given this is your first hoax article on the site and the nature of the topic.  Personally, I would take the site down before you get a C&#038;D from either Gibson or the BBC and apologize.  But, each person has their own strategy for gettings things done, and you're certainly entitled to yours.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve made some good points, and in a general sense I can see your point of view.  The public needs to get better about disseminating fact from fiction; hoaxes are sometimes &#8216;ok&#8217; as long as there are some giveaways; and websites by and far need to get better about checking sources before they spread false information.</p>
<p>However, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said that people probably would not have had as big of a problem with a story like this if it was about Bush.  The more ridiculous/implausible a hoax sounds, the better it&#8217;s going to be received when the hoax is discovered.</p>
<p>IMHO, I think the topic you chose for the hoax is too provocative given the recent racist comments and negative publicity.  Making the allegation that somebody is a terrorist, even if the source is supposed to be a hoax, isn&#8217;t something that should be taken lightly.</p>
<p>The main reason why I decided to put as much thought into this blog post is to really question what types of hoaxes or topics cross the threshold from being harmless to harmful.  Generally, speaking would it be considered ok or in good taste if somebody posted a hoax article that some celebrity had murdered a family member immediately following a real story where the actor/actress had just went through a painful divorce?  Probably not.</p>
<p>I actually don&#8217;t have that much of a problem with the fake site and the fact that so many (and credible) news sites were fooled.  Hopefully, this will be one of many future lessons that will help improve how we come up with better systems of information trust, distribution, and authority.  But, although you&#8217;ve stated that your intention was not to cause harm, I think this could be percieved otherwise given this is your first hoax article on the site and the nature of the topic.  Personally, I would take the site down before you get a C&#038;D from either Gibson or the BBC and apologize.  But, each person has their own strategy for gettings things done, and you&#8217;re certainly entitled to yours.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeHess</title>
		<link>http://eric-blue.com/2006/08/05/when-does-hoax-journalism-go-too-far/#comment-145</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Aug 2006 07:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't back track, the article the whole time has said to check their sources, etc (and so did the info.htm page before I made it forward to the blog). So I don't see how it is backtracking if the articles have said the same thing the whole time.

The Mel Gibson article was actually posted July 30th but I changed the posting of the article a couple times. I actually had it posted under another domain name, but I figured I’d buy this one since it was available.

The stories have never tried to be passed off as completely authentic; if I did I wouldn't have left huge hints. (UK Election 2005, Thousands fooled by fake news article, pages that lead to the blog, and before the blog the info page, etc). They only look authentic at a quick glance. The page style used is even an outdated one (an old 2005 BBC one).

Most people never look twice at an article, and at least for the next week people will be looking at articles more carefully and checking other sources to verify what they read. Most people learn things by error and first hand knowledge. If I made the same article and just changed it to President Bush, it would be absurd as well, and some people would buy it, but I bet less people would have a problem with it.

I believe as long as there is a disclaimer (faux, hoax, fake, etc) it should be allowed. Hell if car companies get to use fine print why can’t the average hoaxer, at least I am not charging you extreme interest, lol. Don’t even get me started on those “quick cash” companies, charging 400% interest in their fine print. I think the biggest example of a hoax that sets a clear president for the acceptance of this is the Jerry Falwell v. Larry Flynt case. My guess is the most that will happen is a C&#038;D letter, and by that time it will be established as a hoax everywhere (if it hasn’t already).

I really don't know how Mel Gibson feels about it, but my e-mail is available if he feels the article needs to be taken down. I’d honestly love to hear his take on it. Hopefully he doesn’t do it drunk though.

I really think that in the end, the article might have helped him. As one person said in a forum "after the hoax, now I feel bad for Mel and am happy he was just charged with DUI and not terrorism" and "well, I guess there are worse things to be in trouble for."

If I was posting from the same room as him chances are we would be friends and I'd tell and ask him first. Some people will go for it "okay, let's see how gullible people are."

My guess it people probably would not have been so willing to accept the article if he didn't mess up like he did.

If are worried about me not suffering any consequences, a bunch of different white power organizations are pissed at me because they were fooled. They believe I am part of a great Jewish Conspiracy. Which is pretty interesting in itself.

I do have to say you put a lot into this blog about a hoax article. If you have any direct questions feel free to e-mail me.

And whether this is a long series of hoaxes planned, I am not saying. ;)

Hopefully I will never make a fake article that will start a conflict (how the Boxer Rebellion started).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t back track, the article the whole time has said to check their sources, etc (and so did the info.htm page before I made it forward to the blog). So I don&#8217;t see how it is backtracking if the articles have said the same thing the whole time.</p>
<p>The Mel Gibson article was actually posted July 30th but I changed the posting of the article a couple times. I actually had it posted under another domain name, but I figured I’d buy this one since it was available.</p>
<p>The stories have never tried to be passed off as completely authentic; if I did I wouldn&#8217;t have left huge hints. (UK Election 2005, Thousands fooled by fake news article, pages that lead to the blog, and before the blog the info page, etc). They only look authentic at a quick glance. The page style used is even an outdated one (an old 2005 BBC one).</p>
<p>Most people never look twice at an article, and at least for the next week people will be looking at articles more carefully and checking other sources to verify what they read. Most people learn things by error and first hand knowledge. If I made the same article and just changed it to President Bush, it would be absurd as well, and some people would buy it, but I bet less people would have a problem with it.</p>
<p>I believe as long as there is a disclaimer (faux, hoax, fake, etc) it should be allowed. Hell if car companies get to use fine print why can’t the average hoaxer, at least I am not charging you extreme interest, lol. Don’t even get me started on those “quick cash” companies, charging 400% interest in their fine print. I think the biggest example of a hoax that sets a clear president for the acceptance of this is the Jerry Falwell v. Larry Flynt case. My guess is the most that will happen is a C&#038;D letter, and by that time it will be established as a hoax everywhere (if it hasn’t already).</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t know how Mel Gibson feels about it, but my e-mail is available if he feels the article needs to be taken down. I’d honestly love to hear his take on it. Hopefully he doesn’t do it drunk though.</p>
<p>I really think that in the end, the article might have helped him. As one person said in a forum &#8220;after the hoax, now I feel bad for Mel and am happy he was just charged with DUI and not terrorism&#8221; and &#8220;well, I guess there are worse things to be in trouble for.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I was posting from the same room as him chances are we would be friends and I&#8217;d tell and ask him first. Some people will go for it &#8220;okay, let&#8217;s see how gullible people are.&#8221;</p>
<p>My guess it people probably would not have been so willing to accept the article if he didn&#8217;t mess up like he did.</p>
<p>If are worried about me not suffering any consequences, a bunch of different white power organizations are pissed at me because they were fooled. They believe I am part of a great Jewish Conspiracy. Which is pretty interesting in itself.</p>
<p>I do have to say you put a lot into this blog about a hoax article. If you have any direct questions feel free to e-mail me.</p>
<p>And whether this is a long series of hoaxes planned, I am not saying. <img src='http://eric-blue.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Hopefully I will never make a fake article that will start a conflict (how the Boxer Rebellion started).</p>
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